Rosacea/dermodex update

Scarred For Life? wrote:
> Arlyn
>
> Please keep us updated on your experience. It sounds like it is going to be
> a positive one for you. I've been reading much on demodex over the past two
> days, and now I itch all over all the time! Don't know if I need FaceDoctor
> or DemodexSolutions or an anti-psychotic for delusions of parasitosis. My
> skin is looking worse than it has in over 6 months, and I haven't been that
> naughty on my diet, so I'm thinking of giving the demodex theory a go.
> Since I'm unemployed, I can't afford www.demodexsolutions.com but I am
> going to try FaceDoctor/FaceSurgeon for the face and Dr. Bronner's
> eucalyptus soap (
> http://www.vitacost.com/Store/Products/ProductDescription.cfm?SKUNumbe...1878776 )
> for my body. I'll let you know how it goes... probably order them tomorrow.
> I can't believe I'm doing it, but the Carley's has stopped working and I'm
> at the end of my rope.
>
> Continued success to you!
>
>
>

Not only are the mites contagious, but reading about them made me itch
for weeks!
I had no luck with the Bronner's eucalyptus soap. But you can buy a
bottle of eucalptus essential oil for about $8. Then scent any skin
products with it, to see if that would help. (i've always had a problem
with bronner's and any liquid castile.. i can never get them to rinse
off completely, they leave a film, which is the problem. If you have
different (softer) water, it should work better, i'd think.)
I keep forgetting to pick up some camphor, which I thing is what the
study suggested?
Why not try emailing demodexsolutions, see if they will give you a free
trial if you post here about it?
Worth a shot..
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"delusions of parasitosis.." I love it.

Well, the last two days, my rosacea has gotten bad again. I'm getting tired
of this...But, it took a long time to get to this point and it may take a
long time to get better....

ar

"Scarred For Life?" <dontemailme.DeleteThis@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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> Arlyn
>
> Please keep us updated on your experience. It sounds like it is going to
be
> a positive one for you. I've been reading much on demodex over the past
two
> days, and now I itch all over all the time! Don't know if I need
FaceDoctor
> or DemodexSolutions or an anti-psychotic for delusions of parasitosis. My
> skin is looking worse than it has in over 6 months, and I haven't been
that
> naughty on my diet, so I'm thinking of giving the demodex theory a go.
> Since I'm unemployed, I can't afford www.demodexsolutions.com but I am
> going to try FaceDoctor/FaceSurgeon for the face and Dr. Bronner's
> eucalyptus soap (
>
http://www.vitacost.com/Store/Products/ProductDescription.cfm?SKUNumbe...1878776 )
> for my body. I'll let you know how it goes... probably order them
tomorrow.
> I can't believe I'm doing it, but the Carley's has stopped working and I'm
> at the end of my rope.
>
> Continued success to you!
>
>
>
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let's go on the demodex solutions creams and settle it once and for all. i
know that a soap cannot kill demodex, so face doctor/face surgeon won't do
it. I am really tempted to use camphor/glycerin like that article i posted,
but it would be such a hassle to find and make. why not use the
www.demodexsolutions.com cream for once ? TJU swears by it. Then maybe I
can eat my double fudge brownies without cosmetic consequence!

good luck to you my friend
scarred
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I'm so glad to hear that the creams worked for you. I'll move on to them
once the soaps are used up. But I've got to tell you, the soaps are lasting
a loooooong time.

I started putting aloe gel on my face after using the soaps and have seen
another jump in improvement.

ar

"TJU" <tju.RemoveThis@NOSPAMrammy.co.uk> wrote in message
news:3f34bce0$1_2@corp-news.newsgroups.com...
> To clarify my position on the demodex solutions creams, I bought some as a
> trial, complained about the size of the pots and Walter Freyne sent me
free
> creams so that I could give it a good shot.
> However, as it turns out, the pots are good value as they lasted me about
6
> weeks, which surprised me. However, I didn't have rosacea or any visible
> spots as I take low-dose Roaccutane, but I did have that maddening
> feather-tickling and crawling sensation round my eyes, nose and forehead.
> I also had two slightly red patches on my cheeks I had put down to shaving
> irritation.
>
> After using the creams ( both of them, which I believe is important ) I
have
> nil tickling, the red patches are gone, my skin tone is near perfect and
the
> very few small blemishes I used to get even on Roaccutane are gone.
>
> My skin has never looked better. ( perhaps a light tan would help...)
>
> I was interested in the acne/rosacea/demodex theory quite a while ago and
> mentioned it to my derm, who polite shrugged it off. I believe that one of
> the reasons Roaccutane works is that the skin environment becomes so
hostile
> to demodex that they die off, hence some of the acne clearing action.
>
> I still use the demodex creams four times a week. After my freebies are
> gone, I'll gladly pay for more. If you've been struggling with every
> treatment type with no results, I personally think that the mite creams
are
> the next positive step. If you hit lucky, you'll have a clear skin.
>
> "Scarred For Life?" <dontemailme.RemoveThis@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> news:sW_Ya.5491$vK4.1181@fe05.atl2.webusenet.com...
> > let's go on the demodex solutions creams and settle it once and for all.
> i
> > know that a soap cannot kill demodex, so face doctor/face surgeon won't
do
> > it. I am really tempted to use camphor/glycerin like that article i
> posted,
> > but it would be such a hassle to find and make. why not use the
> > www.demodexsolutions.com cream for once ? TJU swears by it. Then maybe
I
> > can eat my double fudge brownies without cosmetic consequence!
> >
> > good luck to you my friend
> > scarred
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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Scarred For Life? wrote:
> Kita
>
> Thanks for the advice, but I feel so horrible asking for a free sample!


They offered a few trials, if those that used it would be willing to
post their results here. AFAIK. So it's a trial, not so much as a
freebie. They stand to gain if the stuff works and you post about it. I
am sure there are hundreds of lurkers for every one of us that posts.
They offered it as a way to legitimize the idea, here. afaik. So it's
more of a non-clinical trial than any handout.

I don't know if they have already given away enough. Only TJU has posted
about it. But just send them an email saying you are a frequent poster
here, and would like to try it and post about it.

From: Demodex solutions (info@demodexsolutions.com)
Subject: Re: years of acne-getting old
View: Complete Thread (3 articles)
Newsgroups: alt.skincare.acne
Date: 2003-05-10 05:13:36 PST

We can probable heal you
www.demodexsolutions.com
we give some treatments away for free to proof it is working
if you are interested please mail to
info.RemoveThis@demodexsolutions.com
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Scarred For Life? wrote:
>
> let's go on the demodex solutions creams and settle it once and for all. i
> know that a soap cannot kill demodex, so face doctor/face surgeon won't do
> it. I am really tempted to use camphor/glycerin like that article i posted,
> but it would be such a hassle to find and make. why not use the
> www.demodexsolutions.com cream for once ? TJU swears by it. Then maybe I
> can eat my double fudge brownies without cosmetic consequence!
>
> good luck to you my friend
> scarred

I made something like camphor oil for my self by chopping up a block
of camphor, putting that in a little spray bottle, and adding about
equal parts of eucalyptus oil, tea tree oil and turpentine gum
spirits. I don't know if the turpentine has any therapeutic effect or
not, but it helps the camphor dissolve. It also has very good solvent
properties that help the mixture penetrate into the pores clogged with
sebum.

I rub it on (avoiding getting it in my eyes) about a half hour before
bathing. The only difficulty I have had with it is breathing when I
use it on my face. I just walk around for a few minutes, to leave the
fumes behind. I have a skin peeling problem that gets to the point of
having raw spots, but this stuff has an overnight positive effect on
it.

I think that demodex may be involved in my symptoms, because after my
skin is just about perfect (after a few days successive use) I have
been stopping the treatment and a week or so later, the symptoms start
to creep back. I am guessing that the oil treatment may kill all the
adults, but not eggs that have been laid in my follicles. A week
later a new generation may be hatching and the irritation returns.

So I am presently in the middle of a trial where I am using the oil
nightly for two weeks, even though me skin is fine, to see if this
greatly extends the time it takes for my symptoms to return. This
should be long enough to wipe out all the hatchlings before they cam
mature and reproduce.

I have also read that a larger breed of demodex often lives in the
eyelash follicles, but these cannot be treated with camphor oil
without risking eye damage. I am learning how to hold my eyes closed
and be very still, with a coating of Selsun Blue menthol shampoo
across my eyelids. This shampoo is not nearly as irritating to the
eyes as pyrithione zinc shampoos, and I am getting used to the strange
chilled eyelids feeling that the menthol causes with no apparent
damage. I don't know if the menthol drives any mites crazy, but it
gives me a little grin to think that it might.

Of course, without microscopic evidence, I have no proof that demodex
is actually involved in my symptoms, and some entirely other effect
may be at work.

--
John Popelish
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Jpope: Why not just buy camphor oil and use it straight? I have a
camphor tree, is that the block that you (JPope) are using, a hunk of tree?

Scarred: I think that the glycerin was used to dilute the camphor to
50%, isn't it?
Glycerin is easy to find in any drugstore. I'm not sure about 100%
camphor, i think i've seen it in drugstores or healthfood stores, but
I'm not sure it's 100%. And I don't know what % campophenique is..?




John Popelish wrote:
> Scarred For Life? wrote:
>
>>let's go on the demodex solutions creams and settle it once and for all. i
>>know that a soap cannot kill demodex, so face doctor/face surgeon won't do
>>it. I am really tempted to use camphor/glycerin like that article i posted,
>>but it would be such a hassle to find and make. why not use the
>>www.demodexsolutions.com cream for once ? TJU swears by it. Then maybe I
>>can eat my double fudge brownies without cosmetic consequence!
>>
>>good luck to you my friend
>>scarred
>
>
> I made something like camphor oil for my self by chopping up a block
> of camphor, putting that in a little spray bottle, and adding about
> equal parts of eucalyptus oil, tea tree oil and turpentine gum
> spirits. I don't know if the turpentine has any therapeutic effect or
> not, but it helps the camphor dissolve. It also has very good solvent
> properties that help the mixture penetrate into the pores clogged with
> sebum.
>
> I rub it on (avoiding getting it in my eyes) about a half hour before
> bathing. The only difficulty I have had with it is breathing when I
> use it on my face. I just walk around for a few minutes, to leave the
> fumes behind. I have a skin peeling problem that gets to the point of
> having raw spots, but this stuff has an overnight positive effect on
> it.
>
> I think that demodex may be involved in my symptoms, because after my
> skin is just about perfect (after a few days successive use) I have
> been stopping the treatment and a week or so later, the symptoms start
> to creep back. I am guessing that the oil treatment may kill all the
> adults, but not eggs that have been laid in my follicles. A week
> later a new generation may be hatching and the irritation returns.
>
> So I am presently in the middle of a trial where I am using the oil
> nightly for two weeks, even though me skin is fine, to see if this
> greatly extends the time it takes for my symptoms to return. This
> should be long enough to wipe out all the hatchlings before they cam
> mature and reproduce.
>
> I have also read that a larger breed of demodex often lives in the
> eyelash follicles, but these cannot be treated with camphor oil
> without risking eye damage. I am learning how to hold my eyes closed
> and be very still, with a coating of Selsun Blue menthol shampoo
> across my eyelids. This shampoo is not nearly as irritating to the
> eyes as pyrithione zinc shampoos, and I am getting used to the strange
> chilled eyelids feeling that the menthol causes with no apparent
> damage. I don't know if the menthol drives any mites crazy, but it
> gives me a little grin to think that it might.
>
> Of course, without microscopic evidence, I have no proof that demodex
> is actually involved in my symptoms, and some entirely other effect
> may be at work.
>
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Kita wrote:
>
> Jpope: Why not just buy camphor oil and use it straight? I have a
> camphor tree, is that the block that you (JPope) are using, a hunk of tree?

I have not found camphor oil for sale around here. The camphor I use
is a synthetic camphor gum (none of the carcinogenic impurities that
have to be carefully removed from the natural, extracted product) made
by Humco. Found it at a local CVS pharmacy, I think. Of course, the
warning on it says, "Not for medicinal use." I guess that is why it
is sold in a drug store.

> Scarred: I think that the glycerin was used to dilute the camphor to
> 50%, isn't it?
> Glycerin is easy to find in any drugstore. I'm not sure about 100%
> camphor, i think i've seen it in drugstores or healthfood stores, but
> I'm not sure it's 100%. And I don't know what % campophenique is..?

I think camphor oil is gum camphor dissolved in eucalyptus oil, which
is a combination of eucalyptus extract and some diluting oils. My
eucalyptus oil bottle says it is 70 to 75% eucalyptus oil (from LorAnn
Oils).

I am under the impression (after reading lots of contradictory stuff
found via Google) that camphor oil used to treat demodex is as much
gum camphor as will dissolve in eucalyptus oil, then that mixture
diluted with glycerin.

I decided to make a more volatile (and penetrating) mixture by
substituting tea tree oil and turpentine for the glycerin. Seems to
work well, so far. I am sure it evaporates a lot faster than the
glycerin version. But I wash it all off after a half hour, so that
doesn't matter to me. At least the fragrance is a nice clean pine
sort of thing. Reminds me of a fresh Christmas tree.

--
John Popelish
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John Popelish wrote:
> Kita wrote:
>
>>Jpope: Why not just buy camphor oil and use it straight? I have a
>>camphor tree, is that the block that you (JPope) are using, a hunk of tree?
>
>
> I have not found camphor oil for sale around here. The camphor I use
> is a synthetic camphor gum (none of the carcinogenic impurities that
> have to be carefully removed from the natural, extracted product) made
> by Humco. Found it at a local CVS pharmacy, I think. Of course, the
> warning on it says, "Not for medicinal use." I guess that is why it
> is sold in a drug store.

What's it supposed to be used for, if not medicinal?


>
> I think camphor oil is gum camphor dissolved in eucalyptus oil, which
> is a combination of eucalyptus extract and some diluting oils. My
> eucalyptus oil bottle says it is 70 to 75% eucalyptus oil (from LorAnn
> Oils).

(I bought a bottle of Aura Cacia Eucalyptus, that says 100% pure
eucalyptus essential oil. Not that it matters, just fyi. I paid $10 for
2 oz, (I use it as an additive to my laundry against dust mites..))

Thanks for the specifics of your recipe, I may have more questions for
you in a bit, after I dig around a bit
oh i looked it up,
Campo-phenique is:
Active Ingredients: Camphor (10.8%), Phenol (4.7%)
Inactive Ingredients: Eucalyptus Oil, Light Mineral Oil

The study was for 50% camphor tho? yikes, that must smell Outrageous!

tyvm!

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Kita wrote:
>
> John Popelish wrote:
> > Kita wrote:
> >
> >>Jpope: Why not just buy camphor oil and use it straight? I have a
> >>camphor tree, is that the block that you (JPope) are using, a hunk of tree?
> >
> >
> > I have not found camphor oil for sale around here. The camphor I use
> > is a synthetic camphor gum (none of the carcinogenic impurities that
> > have to be carefully removed from the natural, extracted product) made
> > by Humco. Found it at a local CVS pharmacy, I think. Of course, the
> > warning on it says, "Not for medicinal use." I guess that is why it
> > is sold in a drug store.
>
> What's it supposed to be used for, if not medicinal?

Beats me. I think that many old-fashioned remedies used camphor, but
it is fairly toxic, so they no longer sell it as medicine or are at
least maintaining plausible deniability for legal reasons.

> > I think camphor oil is gum camphor dissolved in eucalyptus oil, which
> > is a combination of eucalyptus extract and some diluting oils. My
> > eucalyptus oil bottle says it is 70 to 75% eucalyptus oil (from LorAnn
> > Oils).
>
> (I bought a bottle of Aura Cacia Eucalyptus, that says 100% pure
> eucalyptus essential oil. Not that it matters, just fyi. I paid $10 for
> 2 oz, (I use it as an additive to my laundry against dust mites..))

The LorAnn Eucalyptus oil was $10.36 for a 4 oz bottle.

> Thanks for the specifics of your recipe, I may have more questions for
> you in a bit, after I dig around a bit
> oh i looked it up,
> Campo-phenique is:
> Active Ingredients: Camphor (10.8%), Phenol (4.7%)
> Inactive Ingredients: Eucalyptus Oil, Light Mineral Oil
>
> The study was for 50% camphor tho? yikes, that must smell Outrageous!

The phenol is what would really smell bad. It doesn't take a very
strong solution of it to take skin off, either, if I remember
correctly. If you have ever burnt a Bakelite skillet handle (phenolic
plastic), you have some idea what phenol smells like. The mess I
mixed up has a strong but not repugnant odor.

--
John Popelish
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On Mon, 04 Aug 2003 11:11:10 GMT, "arlyn" <arlynsg DeleteThis @adelphia.net> wrote:

>Last week, my rosacea got much worse. I felt that there was no place on my
>face or neck that wasn't covered in bumps. One of the dermodex sites said
>that this might happen during the die off. I was worried that I was having
>a negative reaction to the soaps but decided to stick it out.
>
>Yesterday I started noticing improvement. Today, my skin looks much, much
>better. The bumps that came up during the "die off" period are all gone and
>the bumps that had been on my face prior to the start of me using the soaps
>are noticeably smaller. A lot of redness is gone as well.

Geoffrey Nase Ph.D. Microvascular Physiologist (www.drnase.com), the foremost
rosacea expert is a strong believer that neither the mite nor any of its by
products or effects have anything to do with rosacea. The known treatments for
demodex folliculorum are harsh and are likely to irritate and could even make
your rosacea flare up or worse.

Rosacea Support: http://rosacea.ii.net
List Highlights: http://rosacea.ii.net/toc.html
Dr. Nase's Rosacea Gallery: http://rosacea.ii.net/gnase.html
Beating Rosacea Book: http://www.drnase.com
Rosacea FAQ: http://www.faqs.org/faqs/medicine/rosacea
Mailing List: http://rosacea.ii.net/ml.html

davidp.

--
David Pascoe, pascoedj+usenet@spamcop.net, Western Australia
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Well, that really does depend on what is causing your rosacea and what type
you have. I've also had doctors tell me that changing my diet won't effect
my allergies, acne and other ailments and they were all wrong. Right now my
skin is looking much better so I would have to say that something is
working....I refuse to use any medications that come from doctors these days
as they seem to always make me more sick.

ar

"David Pascoe" <pascoedj+usenet@spamcop.net> wrote in message
news:bvjbjvod6d62lfefcbnusj1eai2asub55p@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 04 Aug 2003 11:11:10 GMT, "arlyn" <arlynsg.DeleteThis@adelphia.net> wrote:
>
> >Last week, my rosacea got much worse. I felt that there was no place on
my
> >face or neck that wasn't covered in bumps. One of the dermodex sites
said
> >that this might happen during the die off. I was worried that I was
having
> >a negative reaction to the soaps but decided to stick it out.
> >
> >Yesterday I started noticing improvement. Today, my skin looks much,
much
> >better. The bumps that came up during the "die off" period are all gone
and
> >the bumps that had been on my face prior to the start of me using the
soaps
> >are noticeably smaller. A lot of redness is gone as well.
>
> Geoffrey Nase Ph.D. Microvascular Physiologist (www.drnase.com), the
foremost
> rosacea expert is a strong believer that neither the mite nor any of its
by
> products or effects have anything to do with rosacea. The known treatments
for
> demodex folliculorum are harsh and are likely to irritate and could even
make
> your rosacea flare up or worse.
>
> Rosacea Support: http://rosacea.ii.net
> List Highlights: http://rosacea.ii.net/toc.html
> Dr. Nase's Rosacea Gallery: http://rosacea.ii.net/gnase.html
> Beating Rosacea Book: http://www.drnase.com
> Rosacea FAQ: http://www.faqs.org/faqs/medicine/rosacea
> Mailing List: http://rosacea.ii.net/ml.html
>
> davidp.
>
> --
> David Pascoe, pascoedj+usenet@spamcop.net, Western Australia
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Its interesting to note that Dr Nase states on his FAQ page that 'most
experts agree that ( mites) do not play a role in rosacea'...
Therefore, there must be some experts who believe quite strongly that
demodex mites are a causal agent.

It may well be that one of the mites, perhaps the folliculorum, is harmless,
but the brevis is the main culprit. For two seemingly identical organisms to
co-exist in the same place, they must have differing requirements and
'lifestyles' or the competitive factors would lead to the massive dominance
of one, perhaps to the eradication of the other.
That's not so in demodex behaviour. There seems to be a status quo, which
leads me to think they have different characteristics.
Its theorised, too, that its the by-products of these mites, the faeces and
decomposing bodies, that may be the trigger for the acneform/rosacea
reaction.
There can be few people who disagree with the dust-mite argument: it may
prove to be the case with demodex.
As usual in all forms of acne, its a debatable issue.
Using evidence-based results, if a number of sufferers have been cleared of
acne or rosacea through the use of anti-mite treatments, then its a
pointer....

"David Pascoe" <pascoedj+usenet@spamcop.net> wrote in message
news:bvjbjvod6d62lfefcbnusj1eai2asub55p@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 04 Aug 2003 11:11:10 GMT, "arlyn" <arlynsg DeleteThis @adelphia.net> wrote:
>
> >Last week, my rosacea got much worse. I felt that there was no place on
my
> >face or neck that wasn't covered in bumps. One of the dermodex sites
said
> >that this might happen during the die off. I was worried that I was
having
> >a negative reaction to the soaps but decided to stick it out.
> >
> >Yesterday I started noticing improvement. Today, my skin looks much,
much
> >better. The bumps that came up during the "die off" period are all gone
and
> >the bumps that had been on my face prior to the start of me using the
soaps
> >are noticeably smaller. A lot of redness is gone as well.
>
> Geoffrey Nase Ph.D. Microvascular Physiologist (www.drnase.com), the
foremost
> rosacea expert is a strong believer that neither the mite nor any of its
by
> products or effects have anything to do with rosacea. The known treatments
for
> demodex folliculorum are harsh and are likely to irritate and could even
make
> your rosacea flare up or worse.
>
> Rosacea Support: http://rosacea.ii.net
> List Highlights: http://rosacea.ii.net/toc.html
> Dr. Nase's Rosacea Gallery: http://rosacea.ii.net/gnase.html
> Beating Rosacea Book: http://www.drnase.com
> Rosacea FAQ: http://www.faqs.org/faqs/medicine/rosacea
> Mailing List: http://rosacea.ii.net/ml.html
>
> davidp.
>
> --
> David Pascoe, pascoedj+usenet@spamcop.net, Western Australia
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