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Since: Feb 20, 2004 Posts: 1
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(Msg. 1) Posted: Fri Feb 20, 2004 12:34 pm
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Exactly one month ago I visited a dermatologist and an opthamologist
concerning my facial Rosacea and Ocular Rosacea, and they prescribed
Metro Cream and Tetracycline. One month later, I'm fairly pleased
with the results. The general redness of my skin has decreased, and
my eyes (with help from daily eyelid hygiene) are feeling better. But
I do have a couple of concerns.
First, is it possible that Metro Cream can cause small pimples?
Although the overall facial redness has decreased, it seems I have
three or four new pimples every morning -- generally on my forehead
and nose, which have always been the oily parts of my face. Before
using Metro Cream, I rarely had pimples in these particular areas. I
use the Metro Cream before bedtime, and in the morning my nose and the
center of my forehead usually have a slight greasy appearance... and
these are the same areas where the pimples are appearing. The other
parts of my face are free of pimples. I have combination skin (center
part of face oily, rest of face very dry), so I'm wondering if the
Metro Cream has anything to do with the increase in pimples in these
oily areas. Perhaps Metro Gel might be a better choice?
The other concern is that I've noticed an increased number of "spider
veins" on my nose in recent days. I already had several visible veins
before I started my prescription, and I was alarmed to see more of
them suddenly forming. At first I thought it might be a reaction to
the Metro Cream, especially since my nose has always been very
sensitive. However, I've not experienced any burning sensations or
any type of rashes -- only an occasional tiny pimple on my nose here
and there. I've come to the conclusion that because my facial redness
has decreased, the spider veins that were already there are just much
more visible now. Does this theory make any sense? Has anyone else
experienced something similar?
By the way, I plan on discussing these items with my dermatologist,
but she won't be back in the office until Monday. In the meantime, I
would appreciate any thoughts on these matters. Thanks a bunch.
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Tue Feb 24, 2004 6:12 pm
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What I have learned is that all rosacea medication causes acne for me.
Make sure you aren't using anything that's an AHA. Oddly enough, what
finally cleared up my stubborn rosacea (so far) was using salycylic acid. I
also use non-sunscreen moisturizers and aloe vera gel at night. My rosacea
is currently gone after almost a year of being plagued by it.
ar
"keith" <keith_gaines.TakeThisOut@lycos.com> wrote in message
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> Exactly one month ago I visited a dermatologist and an opthamologist
> concerning my facial Rosacea and Ocular Rosacea, and they prescribed
> Metro Cream and Tetracycline. One month later, I'm fairly pleased
> with the results. The general redness of my skin has decreased, and
> my eyes (with help from daily eyelid hygiene) are feeling better. But
> I do have a couple of concerns.
>
> First, is it possible that Metro Cream can cause small pimples?
> Although the overall facial redness has decreased, it seems I have
> three or four new pimples every morning -- generally on my forehead
> and nose, which have always been the oily parts of my face. Before
> using Metro Cream, I rarely had pimples in these particular areas. I
> use the Metro Cream before bedtime, and in the morning my nose and the
> center of my forehead usually have a slight greasy appearance... and
> these are the same areas where the pimples are appearing. The other
> parts of my face are free of pimples. I have combination skin (center
> part of face oily, rest of face very dry), so I'm wondering if the
> Metro Cream has anything to do with the increase in pimples in these
> oily areas. Perhaps Metro Gel might be a better choice?
>
> The other concern is that I've noticed an increased number of "spider
> veins" on my nose in recent days. I already had several visible veins
> before I started my prescription, and I was alarmed to see more of
> them suddenly forming. At first I thought it might be a reaction to
> the Metro Cream, especially since my nose has always been very
> sensitive. However, I've not experienced any burning sensations or
> any type of rashes -- only an occasional tiny pimple on my nose here
> and there. I've come to the conclusion that because my facial redness
> has decreased, the spider veins that were already there are just much
> more visible now. Does this theory make any sense? Has anyone else
> experienced something similar?
>
> By the way, I plan on discussing these items with my dermatologist,
> but she won't be back in the office until Monday. In the meantime, I
> would appreciate any thoughts on these matters. Thanks a bunch.
>
> Keith >> Stay informed about: Two Rosacea questions |
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Since: Mar 03, 2004 Posts: 5
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Wed Mar 03, 2004 8:17 pm
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"Grant" <hatetheviruses.RemoveThis@hiding.com> wrote in message
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> What I have learned is that all rosacea medication causes acne for me.
>
> Make sure you aren't using anything that's an AHA. Oddly enough, what
> finally cleared up my stubborn rosacea (so far) was using salycylic acid.
I
> also use non-sunscreen moisturizers and aloe vera gel at night. My
rosacea
> is currently gone after almost a year of being plagued by it.
I may give that a try.
Just posted this in sci.med.pharmacy
I suffer from mild(ish) acne rosacea and have been prescribed a mixture of
tetracyclines under the name of Deteclo.
After a 6 week course the rosacea disappears to gradually reappear after
about the same length of time.
The implication is that if I want to be free of it I have to spend half my
life on antibiotics, which doesn't seem a good idea.
Anyway, why dose the whole body when only a small patch of skin needs the
antibiotic? (BTW, tried metrogel and it only sems to make thinsg worse).
So I have just started to use a couple of Deteclo tablets crushed and
dissolved in 50% DMSO/Water soln at around 3% strength in order to deliver
the antibiotic striaght through the skin.
Previously I have tested DMSO soln on the skin to see what effects it had.
Briefly, it pretty much eliminated the swelling and inflamation associated
with the condition, but did nothing for the underlying condition or
colouration.
It's too soon to report any effects from the latest effort, but I would
appreciate any comments on this combination eg synergies if they exist,
whether this has been tried before etc
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Dirk
The Consensus:-
The political party for the new millennium
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Wed Mar 03, 2004 9:06 pm
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Hi Dirk,
Taking antibiotics isn't solving the problem but only treating the symptom.
It will keep coming back until you find out what is the actual cause of your
rosacea. Diet can be a strong trigger for some. Others believe in the skin
mite theory. I would think that there are many different causes. But
taking antibiotics can just screw up the rest of your body so I don't think
it's a good solution. I am not that familar with the tactics you are
currently trying. I do know that I wouldn't mess with DMSO - it seems a bit
too extreme for me.
Good luck to you.
ar
"Dirk Bruere at Neopax" <dirk.DeleteThis@neopax.com> wrote in message
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> "Grant" <hatetheviruses.DeleteThis@hiding.com> wrote in message
> news:wtKdnTnBbfvtLabd4p2dnA@adelphia.com...
> > What I have learned is that all rosacea medication causes acne for me.
> >
> > Make sure you aren't using anything that's an AHA. Oddly enough, what
> > finally cleared up my stubborn rosacea (so far) was using salycylic
acid.
> I
> > also use non-sunscreen moisturizers and aloe vera gel at night. My
> rosacea
> > is currently gone after almost a year of being plagued by it.
>
> I may give that a try.
> Just posted this in sci.med.pharmacy
>
> I suffer from mild(ish) acne rosacea and have been prescribed a mixture of
> tetracyclines under the name of Deteclo.
> After a 6 week course the rosacea disappears to gradually reappear after
> about the same length of time.
> The implication is that if I want to be free of it I have to spend half my
> life on antibiotics, which doesn't seem a good idea.
>
> Anyway, why dose the whole body when only a small patch of skin needs the
> antibiotic? (BTW, tried metrogel and it only sems to make thinsg worse).
> So I have just started to use a couple of Deteclo tablets crushed and
> dissolved in 50% DMSO/Water soln at around 3% strength in order to deliver
> the antibiotic striaght through the skin.
>
> Previously I have tested DMSO soln on the skin to see what effects it had.
> Briefly, it pretty much eliminated the swelling and inflamation associated
> with the condition, but did nothing for the underlying condition or
> colouration.
>
> It's too soon to report any effects from the latest effort, but I would
> appreciate any comments on this combination eg synergies if they exist,
> whether this has been tried before etc
>
>
> --
> Dirk
>
> The Consensus:-
> The political party for the new millennium
> http://www.theconsensus.org
>
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2004 12:42 pm
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"Grant" <hatetheviruses.TakeThisOut@hiding.com> wrote in message
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> Hi Dirk,
>
> Taking antibiotics isn't solving the problem but only treating the
symptom.
> It will keep coming back until you find out what is the actual cause of
your
> rosacea. Diet can be a strong trigger for some. Others believe in the
skin
> mite theory. I would think that there are many different causes. But
> taking antibiotics can just screw up the rest of your body so I don't
think
> it's a good solution. I am not that familar with the tactics you are
> currently trying. I do know that I wouldn't mess with DMSO - it seems a
bit
> too extreme for me.
I've tried varying diet etc but to no effect.
No idea as to cause.
However, the amount of antibiotics I'm putting in my system by this method
is probably less than 3% of a normal oral course.
In addition, although I am only on day 3 of this homemade treatment there is
already a significant visible improvement so instead of six weeks of oral I
may only require one or two weeks using this, which again cuts the dose by
another factor of three.
As for DMSO being worrying - it's not. I have started using it for muscle
and tendon problems as well (I practice and teach martial arts) and it's
superbly effective there as well.
However, I did try out small quantities of all these formulations on my
inner forearm first (a patch of skin I don't mind losing if the worst
happened).
I'll keep this NG informed of progress.
One question which sprung to mind concerns Accutane (a subject common in
this NG from what I can see), which is pretty horrible stuff from what I
read.
If I had to take that I might consider the DMSO approach to cut the whole
body dose right back.
I can't see why the medical establishment doesn't use DMSO for drug delivery
esp for skin.
Full info on DMSO and toxicology data at:
http://www.dmso.org
--
Dirk
The Consensus:-
The political party for the new millennium
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2004 12:42 pm
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Hi Dirk,
Yes, please keep us informed.
ar
"Dirk Bruere at Neopax" <dirk DeleteThis @neopax.com> wrote in message news:c26tn1
> I've tried varying diet etc but to no effect.
> No idea as to cause.
> However, the amount of antibiotics I'm putting in my system by this method
> is probably less than 3% of a normal oral course.
> In addition, although I am only on day 3 of this homemade treatment there
is
> already a significant visible improvement so instead of six weeks of oral
I
> may only require one or two weeks using this, which again cuts the dose by
> another factor of three.
>
> As for DMSO being worrying - it's not. I have started using it for muscle
> and tendon problems as well (I practice and teach martial arts) and it's
> superbly effective there as well.
>
> However, I did try out small quantities of all these formulations on my
> inner forearm first (a patch of skin I don't mind losing if the worst
> happened).
> I'll keep this NG informed of progress.
>
> One question which sprung to mind concerns Accutane (a subject common in
> this NG from what I can see), which is pretty horrible stuff from what I
> read.
> If I had to take that I might consider the DMSO approach to cut the whole
> body dose right back.
> I can't see why the medical establishment doesn't use DMSO for drug
delivery
> esp for skin.
> Full info on DMSO and toxicology data at:
> http://www.dmso.org
>
> --
> Dirk
>
> The Consensus:-
> The political party for the new millennium
> http://www.theconsensus.org
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2004 12:42 pm
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Dirk Bruere at Neopax wrote:
> I've tried varying diet etc but to no effect.
> No idea as to cause.
> However, the amount of antibiotics I'm putting in my system by this method
> is probably less than 3% of a normal oral course.
> In addition, although I am only on day 3 of this homemade treatment there is
> already a significant visible improvement so instead of six weeks of oral I
> may only require one or two weeks using this, which again cuts the dose by
> another factor of three.
>
> As for DMSO being worrying - it's not. I have started using it for muscle
> and tendon problems as well (I practice and teach martial arts) and it's
> superbly effective there as well.
>
> However, I did try out small quantities of all these formulations on my
> inner forearm first (a patch of skin I don't mind losing if the worst
> happened).
> I'll keep this NG informed of progress.
>
> One question which sprung to mind concerns Accutane (a subject common in
> this NG from what I can see), which is pretty horrible stuff from what I
> read.
> If I had to take that I might consider the DMSO approach to cut the whole
> body dose right back.
> I can't see why the medical establishment doesn't use DMSO for drug delivery
> esp for skin.
> Full info on DMSO and toxicology data at:
> http://www.dmso.org
I read somewhere that DMSO has its effect by being metabolized into
MSM in the body (this is how MSM was discovered). You might consider
taking this food supplement instead of using DMSO, avoiding any DMSO
exposure risk at all, while getting all the benefits. Or have you
already tried that?
--
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2004 4:26 pm
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"John Popelish" <jpopelish RemoveThis @rica.net> wrote in message
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> Dirk Bruere at Neopax wrote:
>
> > I've tried varying diet etc but to no effect.
> > No idea as to cause.
> > However, the amount of antibiotics I'm putting in my system by this
method
> > is probably less than 3% of a normal oral course.
> > In addition, although I am only on day 3 of this homemade treatment
there is
> > already a significant visible improvement so instead of six weeks of
oral I
> > may only require one or two weeks using this, which again cuts the dose
by
> > another factor of three.
> >
> > As for DMSO being worrying - it's not. I have started using it for
muscle
> > and tendon problems as well (I practice and teach martial arts) and it's
> > superbly effective there as well.
> >
> > However, I did try out small quantities of all these formulations on my
> > inner forearm first (a patch of skin I don't mind losing if the worst
> > happened).
> > I'll keep this NG informed of progress.
> >
> > One question which sprung to mind concerns Accutane (a subject common in
> > this NG from what I can see), which is pretty horrible stuff from what I
> > read.
> > If I had to take that I might consider the DMSO approach to cut the
whole
> > body dose right back.
> > I can't see why the medical establishment doesn't use DMSO for drug
delivery
> > esp for skin.
> > Full info on DMSO and toxicology data at:
> > http://www.dmso.org
>
> I read somewhere that DMSO has its effect by being metabolized into
> MSM in the body (this is how MSM was discovered). You might consider
> taking this food supplement instead of using DMSO, avoiding any DMSO
> exposure risk at all, while getting all the benefits. Or have you
> already tried that?
Tried that long ago with no effect.
However, I'm using DMSO because of its unique skin penetration properties.
It carries many chemicals mixed with it through the skin very efficiently.
Not sure about tetracyclines (which I'm experimenting with) but it's use to
carry penicillin is well documented.
I first heard of it years ago mixed with nerve gas in order to enhance
lethality:-(
--
Dirk
The Consensus:-
The political party for the new millennium
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2004 3:34 am
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"Dirk Bruere at Neopax" <dirk RemoveThis @neopax.com> wrote in message
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> "John Popelish" <jpopelish RemoveThis @rica.net> wrote in message
> news:40472D2A.7AD40E2@rica.net...
> > Dirk Bruere at Neopax wrote:
> >
> > > I've tried varying diet etc but to no effect.
> > > No idea as to cause.
> > > However, the amount of antibiotics I'm putting in my system by this
> method
> > > is probably less than 3% of a normal oral course.
> > > In addition, although I am only on day 3 of this homemade treatment
> there is
> > > already a significant visible improvement so instead of six weeks of
> oral I
> > > may only require one or two weeks using this, which again cuts the
dose
> by
> > > another factor of three.
> > >
> > > As for DMSO being worrying - it's not. I have started using it for
> muscle
> > > and tendon problems as well (I practice and teach martial arts) and
it's
> > > superbly effective there as well.
> > >
> > > However, I did try out small quantities of all these formulations on
my
> > > inner forearm first (a patch of skin I don't mind losing if the worst
> > > happened).
> > > I'll keep this NG informed of progress.
> > >
> > > One question which sprung to mind concerns Accutane (a subject common
in
> > > this NG from what I can see), which is pretty horrible stuff from what
I
> > > read.
> > > If I had to take that I might consider the DMSO approach to cut the
> whole
> > > body dose right back.
> > > I can't see why the medical establishment doesn't use DMSO for drug
> delivery
> > > esp for skin.
> > > Full info on DMSO and toxicology data at:
> > > http://www.dmso.org
> >
> > I read somewhere that DMSO has its effect by being metabolized into
> > MSM in the body (this is how MSM was discovered). You might consider
> > taking this food supplement instead of using DMSO, avoiding any DMSO
> > exposure risk at all, while getting all the benefits. Or have you
> > already tried that?
>
> Tried that long ago with no effect.
> However, I'm using DMSO because of its unique skin penetration properties.
> It carries many chemicals mixed with it through the skin very efficiently.
> Not sure about tetracyclines (which I'm experimenting with) but it's use
to
> carry penicillin is well documented.
> I first heard of it years ago mixed with nerve gas in order to enhance
> lethality:-(
Background: The precise pathomechanism of rosacea remains elusive. The
disease commonly requires long-term treatments using topical or oral
therapies. Objective: This report presents incidental findings about the
possible modulatory role of somatostatin in the outcome of rosacea. Method:
Four patients presenting long-standing recalcitrant facial rosacea were
treated with octreotide for diabetic retinopathy. Results: Rosacea improved
rapidly and even cleared without any recurrence in 3 of the patients.
Conclusion: The beneficial effect might be attributed to inhibitory actions
on the sebaceous gland, the neovascularization and/or on the inflammatory
process.
Full Article is on pubmed 2003 - search rosacea somatostatin
Anyone tried this, I'm surprised it states 'cleared without any recurrence
in 3 of the patients', given Rosacea's legendary persistence and chronic
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"WilliamJohns" <WilliamsDJohnrer.DeleteThis@JDWilliamsremoveosomsoam.com> wrote in
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> Anyone tried this, I'm surprised it states 'cleared without any recurrence
> in 3 of the patients', given Rosacea's legendary persistence and chronic
> course.
Recurrances in how long? I haven't used any rosacea meds since November and
my rosacea has cleared up with no recurrances. But that doesn't mean it's
gone.  It's just waiting to ambush me again....
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