B5 Vitamine question please??

So Kita

Your saying that 100mg is not enough? Are these even worth taking? Any side
affects that would less beneficial than the benefits of taking (if any)?
Should they return the bottle?





"kita" <me.RemoveThis@privacy.net> wrote in message
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> Sure, that entire bottle is almost enough for their first day of
treatment.
>
>
> Tuuk wrote:
>
> > Hi
> >
> > I am asking a question for a friend. My friend who is a student has
acne,
> > has learned from this group about some medicines to take, vitamins and
> > procedures. The student talked to a pharmacist and asked for Vitamin B5
> > because they heard on here it was beneficial for their acne. The
pharmacist
> > sold the student a bottle of 90 tablets, 100mg, of D'Pantothenic Acid.
> > Is this beneficial for helping the student tackle their acne?
> > Any help would be great.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Tuuk
> >
> >
> >
>
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>So Kita
>
>Your saying that 100mg is not enough? Are these even worth taking? Any side
>affects that would less beneficial than the benefits of taking (if any)?
>Should they return the bottle?

You don't have to pretend, we already know it's you who has the acne problem.
No need to make up a story about you asking all this for a friend. You don't
have to worry, it's not like we're going to see you one day and start laughing
or anything.
 >> Stay informed about: B5 Vitamine question please?? 

Tuuk wrote:

> So Kita
>
> Your saying that 100mg is not enough? Are these even worth taking? Any side
> affects that would less beneficial than the benefits of taking (if any)?
> Should they return the bottle?
>

There was an observation (not really a study, since it wasn't double
blind with placebos, and the dose was just pulled practically out of
thin air (from Pauling's Vit C dosage) and tried on a small group of
people), that found that at 10grams of Pantothenic Acid per day, the
people taking it had their acne go into remission for the duration of
the treatment. It was short term, and no long term effects are known of
taking this much B-5 vitamin.

As you now see, that is a lot of vitamin. Tens of thousands times the
recommended daily amount.

The 10g amount is larger than your entire bottle. So your friend needs
to find the 1gram capsules if you go this route.

*Some* people on 10g do find that they can go down to a maintenance dose
of 5 grams or less after 6 months or a year.
Others find that after 18-24 months, the B5 stops working altogether,
and they must up their dose to 15 or 20grams a day, or give up and find
another treatment.

The safety of such high doses really is unknown. And taking that much of
one B vitamin disrupts the balance of all the B's, which are
synergistic. So some of the side effects seen in some people are those
normally seen in Biotin or other b deficiencies. But so far we really
don't know what to expect or what is going on, or even why this therapy
works. This is the most important question (of safety) for anyone
considering the regimen. Your friend should investigate megadosing with
B5, become familiar with the side effects that can occur, and make a
decision based on what they're willing to risk versus gain. IMO, anyway.

But it does work for a lot of people. At least for a year or so, it
works. If your friend has mild acne, they can try 1 or 2 grams a day.
But moderate or worse acne needs the higher doses.

Personally, I think accutane is more often a better treatment for
moderate or severe acne. For two reasons. One, because the side effects
(while serious) are also *known* and *monitored*. So problems can be
caught before damage is done. And secondly, because for a percentage of
those on accutane, the acne is cured. No further treatment or medication
is needed. That doesn't occur with B5 (unless the person outgrows the
acne and would have outgrown it anyway). For the vast majority of
b5/pantothenic acid users, they must take at least a maintenance dose of
it every day (infinitely) to remain clear. And with no doctor monitoring
their vital functions, I think odds are that any damage caught might be
too late.

So the choice is their's. It does work, at least initially. Doses under
2 grams are relatively well studied and safe for otherwise healthy
individuals. So your friend might try taking 1gram a day and see if that
helps. But their bottle will only last a week and a half!

There are cheap B5 sources online, for megadosing.
hth!
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kita at me.RemoveThis@privacy.net wrote:

>
>
> Tuuk wrote:
>
>> So Kita
>>
>> Your saying that 100mg is not enough? Are these even worth taking? Any side
>> affects that would less beneficial than the benefits of taking (if any)?
>> Should they return the bottle?
>>
>
> There was an observation (not really a study, since it wasn't double
> blind with placebos, and the dose was just pulled practically out of
> thin air (from Pauling's Vit C dosage) and tried on a small group of
> people), that found that at 10grams of Pantothenic Acid per day, the
> people taking it had their acne go into remission for the duration of
> the treatment. It was short term, and no long term effects are known of
> taking this much B-5 vitamin.

There was a little more to the dosing than that, and it does not matter how
they arrived at the initial dose. The author has another published study,
and has been researching it for years. I think he deserves a little more
respect for his science. Some doses were shown to be ineffective for some
people, and he adjusted it. He also experimented with maintenance doses.

> As you now see, that is a lot of vitamin. Tens of thousands times the
> recommended daily amount.

Not that it matters, but it's 1000x the US RDA - the minimum amount that
should not cause disease. And, it's only 30x the standard supplement range.
It doesnt matter anyway, but it shows that you are exaggerating and trying
to scare people and its annoying.

> The 10g amount is larger than your entire bottle. So your friend needs
> to find the 1gram capsules if you go this route.
>
> *Some* people on 10g do find that they can go down to a maintenance dose
> of 5 grams or less after 6 months or a year.
> Others find that after 18-24 months, the B5 stops working altogether,
> and they must up their dose to 15 or 20grams a day, or give up and find
> another treatment.

That dosing is what the study found.

> The safety of such high doses really is unknown. And taking that much of
> one B vitamin disrupts the balance of all the B's, which are
> synergistic. So some of the side effects seen in some people are those
> normally seen in Biotin or other b deficiencies. But so far we really
> don't know what to expect or what is going on, or even why this therapy
> works. This is the most important question (of safety) for anyone
> considering the regimen. Your friend should investigate megadosing with
> B5, become familiar with the side effects that can occur, and make a
> decision based on what they're willing to risk versus gain. IMO, anyway.

People fail to grasp the significance of B5's "unknown side effects." See,
B5 has been around forever. It's been studied since 1939. Vitamin B5 is
named for the Greek word Panthos which means "everywhere". Pantothenic Acid
is found more or less everywhere, from plants and animals to humans. It's
been studied at many different doses in humans and animals. In the history
of the world no side effects have ever been found! (Except for diarrhea.)
That is significant.

There has no doubt been many unpublished studies involving B5. When a
scientist finds something interesting to publish, they usually do. The fact
that nothing interesting has been published on B5, execpt that it's safe and
been shown to not have any side effects, says a lot about its safety.
Because, if anyone ever found anything, it would have been published.

Like you say, there are known side effects of Accutane, and some of those
are serious. News flash: there may be side effects of Accutane that are
unknown! That is a guarantee in fact because it has not been around very
long. Sometimes they discover a positive side effect, and a drug company
gets to market an existing drug in a new way. Did the public know about the
birth defects when it first came out? No. Sometimes side effects take years
to show up. Do we know what effect Accutane (even if it is used short term)
will have on a person 30 years after taking it? No. Does this mean Accutane
is a mistake to take? No, not for everyone. The point is, there are risks
with everything and you weigh those risks. The risks for high-dose B5 are
clearly very low. Many people's brains short circuit when you say something
is unknown - like if you tell them "you have a chance of winning."

Many of us have been taking high-dose B5 for over 2 years with zero side
effects.

I agree with a lot of what you said Kita, it just bothers me when people use
the "unknown side effects" argument. You can't prove a negative. IF there
are truly no side effects, they will always be unknown. Read that sentence
again. How long do we have to wait before people say, okay maybe it really
is safe? Another 64 years?

> But it does work for a lot of people. At least for a year or so, it
> works. If your friend has mild acne, they can try 1 or 2 grams a day.
> But moderate or worse acne needs the higher doses.
>
> Personally, I think accutane is more often a better treatment for
> moderate or severe acne. For two reasons. One, because the side effects
> (while serious) are also *known* and *monitored*. So problems can be
> caught before damage is done. And secondly, because for a percentage of
> those on accutane, the acne is cured. No further treatment or medication
> is needed. That doesn't occur with B5 (unless the person outgrows the
> acne and would have outgrown it anyway). For the vast majority of
> b5/pantothenic acid users, they must take at least a maintenance dose of
> it every day (infinitely) to remain clear. And with no doctor monitoring
> their vital functions, I think odds are that any damage caught might be
> too late.
>
> So the choice is their's. It does work, at least initially. Doses under
> 2 grams are relatively well studied and safe for otherwise healthy
> individuals. So your friend might try taking 1gram a day and see if that
> helps. But their bottle will only last a week and a half!

From the testimonies on here, the B5-acne web sites, and my personal
experience, 1 gram a day will be completely ineffective.

> There are cheap B5 sources online, for megadosing.
> hth!
>
 >> Stay informed about: B5 Vitamine question please?? 

Thanks all, appreciate your advice.






"Kev" <KevinRog.RemoveThis@aol.com> wrote in message
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> kita at me.RemoveThis@privacy.net wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Tuuk wrote:
> >
> >> So Kita
> >>
> >> Your saying that 100mg is not enough? Are these even worth taking? Any
side
> >> affects that would less beneficial than the benefits of taking (if
any)?
> >> Should they return the bottle?
> >>
> >
> > There was an observation (not really a study, since it wasn't double
> > blind with placebos, and the dose was just pulled practically out of
> > thin air (from Pauling's Vit C dosage) and tried on a small group of
> > people), that found that at 10grams of Pantothenic Acid per day, the
> > people taking it had their acne go into remission for the duration of
> > the treatment. It was short term, and no long term effects are known of
> > taking this much B-5 vitamin.
>
> There was a little more to the dosing than that, and it does not matter
how
> they arrived at the initial dose. The author has another published study,
> and has been researching it for years. I think he deserves a little more
> respect for his science. Some doses were shown to be ineffective for some
> people, and he adjusted it. He also experimented with maintenance doses.
>
> > As you now see, that is a lot of vitamin. Tens of thousands times the
> > recommended daily amount.
>
> Not that it matters, but it's 1000x the US RDA - the minimum amount that
> should not cause disease. And, it's only 30x the standard supplement
range.
> It doesnt matter anyway, but it shows that you are exaggerating and trying
> to scare people and its annoying.
>
> > The 10g amount is larger than your entire bottle. So your friend needs
> > to find the 1gram capsules if you go this route.
> >
> > *Some* people on 10g do find that they can go down to a maintenance dose
> > of 5 grams or less after 6 months or a year.
> > Others find that after 18-24 months, the B5 stops working altogether,
> > and they must up their dose to 15 or 20grams a day, or give up and find
> > another treatment.
>
> That dosing is what the study found.
>
> > The safety of such high doses really is unknown. And taking that much of
> > one B vitamin disrupts the balance of all the B's, which are
> > synergistic. So some of the side effects seen in some people are those
> > normally seen in Biotin or other b deficiencies. But so far we really
> > don't know what to expect or what is going on, or even why this therapy
> > works. This is the most important question (of safety) for anyone
> > considering the regimen. Your friend should investigate megadosing with
> > B5, become familiar with the side effects that can occur, and make a
> > decision based on what they're willing to risk versus gain. IMO, anyway.
>
> People fail to grasp the significance of B5's "unknown side effects." See,
> B5 has been around forever. It's been studied since 1939. Vitamin B5 is
> named for the Greek word Panthos which means "everywhere". Pantothenic
Acid
> is found more or less everywhere, from plants and animals to humans. It's
> been studied at many different doses in humans and animals. In the history
> of the world no side effects have ever been found! (Except for diarrhea.)
> That is significant.
>
> There has no doubt been many unpublished studies involving B5. When a
> scientist finds something interesting to publish, they usually do. The
fact
> that nothing interesting has been published on B5, execpt that it's safe
and
> been shown to not have any side effects, says a lot about its safety.
> Because, if anyone ever found anything, it would have been published.
>
> Like you say, there are known side effects of Accutane, and some of those
> are serious. News flash: there may be side effects of Accutane that are
> unknown! That is a guarantee in fact because it has not been around very
> long. Sometimes they discover a positive side effect, and a drug company
> gets to market an existing drug in a new way. Did the public know about
the
> birth defects when it first came out? No. Sometimes side effects take
years
> to show up. Do we know what effect Accutane (even if it is used short
term)
> will have on a person 30 years after taking it? No. Does this mean
Accutane
> is a mistake to take? No, not for everyone. The point is, there are risks
> with everything and you weigh those risks. The risks for high-dose B5 are
> clearly very low. Many people's brains short circuit when you say
something
> is unknown - like if you tell them "you have a chance of winning."
>
> Many of us have been taking high-dose B5 for over 2 years with zero side
> effects.
>
> I agree with a lot of what you said Kita, it just bothers me when people
use
> the "unknown side effects" argument. You can't prove a negative. IF there
> are truly no side effects, they will always be unknown. Read that sentence
> again. How long do we have to wait before people say, okay maybe it really
> is safe? Another 64 years?
>
> > But it does work for a lot of people. At least for a year or so, it
> > works. If your friend has mild acne, they can try 1 or 2 grams a day.
> > But moderate or worse acne needs the higher doses.
> >
> > Personally, I think accutane is more often a better treatment for
> > moderate or severe acne. For two reasons. One, because the side effects
> > (while serious) are also *known* and *monitored*. So problems can be
> > caught before damage is done. And secondly, because for a percentage of
> > those on accutane, the acne is cured. No further treatment or medication
> > is needed. That doesn't occur with B5 (unless the person outgrows the
> > acne and would have outgrown it anyway). For the vast majority of
> > b5/pantothenic acid users, they must take at least a maintenance dose of
> > it every day (infinitely) to remain clear. And with no doctor monitoring
> > their vital functions, I think odds are that any damage caught might be
> > too late.
> >
> > So the choice is their's. It does work, at least initially. Doses under
> > 2 grams are relatively well studied and safe for otherwise healthy
> > individuals. So your friend might try taking 1gram a day and see if that
> > helps. But their bottle will only last a week and a half!
>
> From the testimonies on here, the B5-acne web sites, and my personal
> experience, 1 gram a day will be completely ineffective.
>
> > There are cheap B5 sources online, for megadosing.
> > hth!
> >
>
 >> Stay informed about: B5 Vitamine question please?? 

Kev at KevinRog.TakeThisOut@aol.com wrote:

> News flash: there may be side effects of Accutane that are
> unknown! That is a guarantee in fact because it has not been around very
> long. Sometimes they discover a positive side effect, and a drug company
> gets to market an existing drug in a new way.


What did I tell you?




From the BBC website

Last Updated: Monday, 22 December, 2003, 00:47 GMT


Vitamin may cure smoking disease

Smoking can cause emphysema

A form of vitamin A could one day provide the basis for a cure for the
smoking disease emphysema.

British researchers have found that retinoic acid, a derivative of
vitamin A, can cure the disease in mice.

Writing in the European Respiratory Journal, they said it reverses
damage done to tiny air sacs in the lungs.

There is currently no cure for emphysema. The disease causes progressive
damage to the lungs and can eventually kill.

Breathing problems

Emphysema usually affects older people. It is generally the result of
long-term damage to the lungs, such as a lifetime of smoking. It can
also affect people working in certain industries such as mining.

The disease can start as mild breathlessness. However, over time it can
leave sufferers struggling to breathe and reliant on oxygen.


This is a relatively simple compound to take. It is already use to
treat severe acne
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Yes, I think Kita sits by the keyboard waiting to right a 20 page
diatribe on the how B5 will turn you into an ape and kill you in one
year.

The typical post he/she writes about B5 is mostly garbage and sad
because I am sure it scares people away from making an informed
decision.

I have been taking it for 3 years and blood tests are fine.

originally had dry eyes and thinning hair which were eliminated by
reducing the amount I was taking (wow that is a little to logical).








Kev <KevinRog.TakeThisOut@aol.com> wrote in message news:<BC0D1F21.ACEB%KevinRog@aol.com>...
> Kev at KevinRog.TakeThisOut@aol.com wrote:
>
> > News flash: there may be side effects of Accutane that are
> > unknown! That is a guarantee in fact because it has not been around very
> > long. Sometimes they discover a positive side effect, and a drug company
> > gets to market an existing drug in a new way.
>
>
> What did I tell you?
>
>
>
>
> From the BBC website
>
> Last Updated: Monday, 22 December, 2003, 00:47 GMT
>
>
> Vitamin may cure smoking disease
>
> Smoking can cause emphysema
>
> A form of vitamin A could one day provide the basis for a cure for the
> smoking disease emphysema.
>
> British researchers have found that retinoic acid, a derivative of
> vitamin A, can cure the disease in mice.
>
> Writing in the European Respiratory Journal, they said it reverses
> damage done to tiny air sacs in the lungs.
>
> There is currently no cure for emphysema. The disease causes progressive
> damage to the lungs and can eventually kill.
>
> Breathing problems
>
> Emphysema usually affects older people. It is generally the result of
> long-term damage to the lungs, such as a lifetime of smoking. It can
> also affect people working in certain industries such as mining.
>
> The disease can start as mild breathlessness. However, over time it can
> leave sufferers struggling to breathe and reliant on oxygen.
>
>
> This is a relatively simple compound to take. It is already use to
> treat severe acne
 >> Stay informed about: B5 Vitamine question please?? 

> Yes, I think Kita sits by the keyboard waiting to right a 20 page
> diatribe on the how B5 will turn you into an ape and kill you in one
> year.

Actually, posters like you I leave to Darwin.
 >> Stay informed about: B5 Vitamine question please??